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Re: Theresa May to make statement in Downing Street

Post by bristleposh » 05 May 2017, 23:05

tooposhforwords wrote:You should welcome the diversity of opinion considering the pathetic amount of regular contributors on this forum.
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however some punters just come on say their piece and don't accept that other opinions are as valid as their own.
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Post by bristleposh » 06 May 2017, 06:17

Up quite early this morning watching BBC Breakfast, oh how I miss Naga Munchetty, I digress, they have just shown the front pages of all the lying right wing press suggesting that The Tories had a great night, how dare they, don't they know it was just a disappointing night for the left, with loads of miscounted stretching across the length and breadth of the country.
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Re: Theresa May to make statement in Downing Street

Post by White G » 08 May 2017, 21:18

bristleposh wrote:
tooposhforwords wrote:You should welcome the diversity of opinion considering the pathetic amount of regular contributors on this forum.
true

however some punters just come on say their piece and don't accept that other opinions are as valid as their own.
I haven't even heard one single counter-argument from you apart from mutterings such as "better than Labour". I suspect you don't know enough to make any kind of purposeful retort though Bristle!

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Re: Theresa May to make statement in Downing Street

Post by bristleposh » 08 May 2017, 21:52

When you can tell me which policies of your beloved left outstrip anything brought to the table by the right. Oh, and where the money might come from to fund some of the folly policies. Oh, I know tax the rich, but first of all take away their passports so they can't leave the country with their money before its taxed.
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Re: Theresa May to make statement in Downing Street

Post by DaveLister » 09 May 2017, 13:45

White G wrote:
bristleposh wrote:
tooposhforwords wrote:You should welcome the diversity of opinion considering the pathetic amount of regular contributors on this forum.
true

however some punters just come on say their piece and don't accept that other opinions are as valid as their own.
I haven't even heard one single counter-argument from you apart from mutterings such as "better than Labour". I suspect you don't know enough to make any kind of purposeful retort though Bristle!
Better than Labour is a bit like saying better at football than San Marino.
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Post by daib0 » 09 May 2017, 13:45

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Re: Theresa May to make statement in Downing Street

Post by trevormans » 09 May 2017, 14:28

bristleposh wrote:When you can tell me which policies of your beloved left outstrip anything brought to the table by the right. Oh, and where the money might come from to fund some of the folly policies. Oh, I know tax the rich, but first of all take away their passports so they can't leave the country with their money before its taxed.
as a starter:-
reverse cutbacks on mental health care
ensure that disabled benefit is not removed where it is needed and is essential
reverse cut backs on social care
reverse cutbacks on Sure start
reverse cutbacks for funding for local government
reverse cutbacks on funding for schools on a per capita basis
reverse cutbacks on nhs on a per capita basis (and conveniently forget the effect of mental health and social care now borne by nhs)
reverse proposals for grammar schools . (why not call it what it is , reintroduce secondary moderns) too many of my friends were written of aged 11
reverse talk of reintroducing fox hunting
reverse the cutbacks on the regional aid programme
forbid murdoch from taking over sky
dont think blaming immigration is a panacea, its just the easy scapegoat
give some thought as to what will happen to welsh and scottish hill farmers after 2019
tell us what their policy is on fisheries
make realistic proposals about the effect of zero hours contracts and the "gig economy"
actually have a decent house building programme and penalise people from overseas from owning uk property without living here.
tell us how we are going to rebalance the economy (osbornes fine words without meaning or result)
tell us how we can stop the increasing "south east centrist" approach to all things
invest substantially in the infrastructure whilst borrowing costs are low
and give us an indication of what leaving the single market will cost us.

i see each of these items as being part of a decent and civilised society . i do not support corbyn, i do not have a beloved left. i wish to live ina decent society
the fat man pickles used to talk of "efficiencies" , but really what they were wanting to do was cut back services essential for a civilised society , and yet reward people with inheritance tax cuts ("we shouldnt be taxed twice", not on house price increase you havent) and other tax reductions which have had a disproportionate benefit to the already wealthy) .
austerity in 2010 was a disaster as it cut back the already established growth and it was only in 2012 that osborne understood that austerity was bonkers. we neeed real growth . all parties need to understand that. house price inflation is not a substitute for that in the mid term

as i said , just a starter

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Re: Theresa May to make statement in Downing Street

Post by bristleposh » 09 May 2017, 16:48

...and the money is coming from where? just for starters
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Re: Theresa May to make statement in Downing Street

Post by trevormans » 09 May 2017, 18:20

just for starters and more to the point is ,which ones of these should we try to live without in a decent society

should we do without decent mental care,?
decent social care,?
decent schools,?
decent libraries and museums
decent funding for nhs?
a decent economic plan? which is not dependent on maxing on credit cards and remortgaging
a decent industrial blueprint
a decent housing programme geared to the uk residents rather than the arabs,the spivs, the russians, the chinese, all of whom just see us as cows to be milked without making active contributions


we have pussy footed for too long around the banks and the ridiculous bonus culture within the over pampered finance sector whilst our manufacturing has been allowed to collapse or go offshore , and the tax dodging companies, the multi nationals, the facebooks , the vested interests who make major contributions to political parties to protect their profits, the costas, the apples , the press magnates who lodge abroad and influence our thinking but pay not their fair proportions


tax is the price we pay for living in a decent society

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Re: Theresa May to make statement in Downing Street

Post by stuie » 09 May 2017, 18:49

I would vote for raising taxes, the 3 areas I request to be resolved are

Health care
Elderly social care
education
Plymouth to Portsmouth 2017 -2018, that ain't far

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Re: Theresa May to make statement in Downing Street

Post by bristleposh » 09 May 2017, 19:00

trevormans wrote:tax is the price we pay for living in a decent society
I agree entirely, why then have Labour said they will not raise taxes, and where do all the rich go when there is any question of taxes being raised. Wonderful if we could live in a perfect society, I agree, however it is never going to be fair if firms are forced to pay a minimum wage of £10 an hour. That was one of the biggest follies of a previous labour government introducing a minimum wage. It just meant that canny employers treated it as a maximum too.
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Re: Theresa May to make statement in Downing Street

Post by trevormans » 09 May 2017, 20:04

bristleposh wrote:
trevormans wrote:tax is the price we pay for living in a decent society
I agree entirely, why then have Labour said they will not raise taxes, and where do all the rich go when there is any question of taxes being raised. Wonderful if we could live in a perfect society, I agree, however it is never going to be fair if firms are forced to pay a minimum wage of £10 an hour. That was one of the biggest follies of a previous labour government introducing a minimum wage. It just meant that canny employers treated it as a maximum too.
I am sorry but this is either deliberate and mischievous utter distortion or plain ignorance. I am not sure which but I would not be surprised either way

1 labour have not said they will not raise taxes. they have indicated that those below a certain level(was it £80k?) will not have increases in direct tax. Clearly those in the bracket above will be invited to take a bigger share of the burden .

2 I have never suggested a perfect society. Just how far short we will be of a decent society because of the cuts. It is always interesting to see that the Tories will never acknowledge their cuts in per capita schooling, per capita nhs, per capita mental health, per capita social care. these are brutal, and do not belong in a civilised society. They are embarrassed by the need for Food Banks. They will claim "efficiency savings" but not outline where the cuts have hit. These monetary "savings" genuinely make us a poorer society
3 When the minimum wage was first introduced , the tories claimed it was non workable. If it had truly been such a folly, then the astute tories would have removed it. So far are they from having done so that they have even tried to steal Gordon Brown's thunder by introducing the National living wage.

4 In the past 50 odd years since I have followed politics , I can barely think of a single change that the tories have introduced which has made us a more caring society. Almost all changes which have benefitted society have been introduced when the Tories were not in power.
And i think of, inter alia, Homosexuality acceptance, racial equality, abortion reform, equal pay for women, votes for 18 year olds , freedom of information, unfair contracts legislation (the brainchild of peterborough mp michael ward,) rights of equality for wives in marriage, health and safety legislation, removal of 11 plus, civil partnerships, disabled rights, the list can go on and on. You of course have previously hinted that several of these are not to your taste. They have all helped us move forward as a country and we should feel justly proud that we have moved from the dark days before. The tories have always sought to benefit their benefactors (as the wicked witch would say " are they one of us"), as no one else truly matters, this is why mr murdoch is given so much licence

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Re: Theresa May to make statement in Downing Street

Post by stuie » 09 May 2017, 22:14

Point 1)What have the Tories ever done for us

http://dailybusinessgroup.co.uk/2015/03 ... ne-for-us/

Point 2) did you listen to Billy Bragg on channel 4 news tonight, even he has given up on labour, and is in favour of a progressive alliance

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Re: Theresa May to make statement in Downing Street

Post by bristleposh » 09 May 2017, 22:36

trevormans wrote: plain ignorance.
You have sussed me out.
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