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Wheelchair vs Buggy - who has priority?

Postby daib0 » 19 Jan 2017, 19:51

Wheelchair vs Buggy

This seems to have been going on for years now, but what do we all think about the whole wheelchair v buggy debate on Buses? Who should get priority in your opinion ?

It's come up again because a wheelchair user won a supreme Court case today, story here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38663322

But not a closed case ... here are some quotes;

"It means bus drivers will have to do more to accommodate wheelchair users."

"However, the judgement fell short of making it a legal requirement for bus companies to compel non-wheelchair passengers to move from the space."

"Penny Mordaunt, the Minister for Disabled People, Work and Health, said she would be talking to the Department for Transport about "clarity, good practice and the powers of transport providers to ensure this ruling becomes a reality"."

"Today's ruling falls short of finding that bus companies can remove non-wheelchair users from the bus, but makes it clear they must do more than simply request they move from the wheelchair place."

"Where a driver concludes a refusal to move is unreasonable, he or she should consider some further steps to pressurise the non-wheelchair user to vacate the space. These might include rephrasing the request as a requirement, or even a refusal to drive on for several minutes "with a view to pressurising or shaming the recalcitrant non-wheelchair user to move".

"The Equality and Human Rights Commission, which supported Mr Paulley at the Court of Appeal and the Supreme Court, described the latest decision in the case as "a victory for disabled people's rights"."



However, I don't deel that there is substantial progress at all here.

What are your views - who has priority, and what should be done to ensure the priority is cared for?
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Re: Wheelchair vs Buggy - who has priority?

Postby PoshCynic » 19 Jan 2017, 20:51

What happens if, say, three disabled wheelchair users all wish to board the same bus at the same time & there is insufficient space to accommodate them all?

When a bus is full, it is full whether those queueing are disabled or able bodied.

In my opinion the judgement gives potential for all sorts of problems. I just feel sorry for bus drivers "caught in the middle".

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Re: Wheelchair vs Buggy - who has priority?

Postby Poshay » 19 Jan 2017, 21:11

This is the sort of problem when anti discrimination legislation whether it be on behalf of the disabled, homosexual or colour gets out of hand.
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Re: Wheelchair vs Buggy - who has priority?

Postby Brianposh » 19 Jan 2017, 21:15

First come, first served?
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Re: Wheelchair vs Buggy - who has priority?

Postby bristleposh » 19 Jan 2017, 21:26

Poshay wrote:This is the sort of problem when anti discrimination legislation whether it be on behalf of the disabled, homosexual or colour gets out of hand.

I do agree with you, I went for a job once and told them I was a black lesbian with one leg, that sort of ticked all four boxes in one hit. I think the disabled sector get too many things in their favour, a mother and baby have to get about too, so first come first served would be an adequate solution, however where it is possible for a mother to fold a buggy and place it out of the parking area for wheeled vehicles, common sense should be the maxim not the law.
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Re: Wheelchair vs Buggy - who has priority?

Postby daib0 » 19 Jan 2017, 22:18

interesting commernts. I'm genuinely lost on this issue, so good to see your points of view ... :)
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Re: Wheelchair vs Buggy - who has priority?

Postby tonyp » 19 Jan 2017, 22:53

PoshCynic wrote:
When a bus is full, it is full whether those queueing are disabled or able bodied.



Yes.
When a bus is full and nobody wants to get off, the bus shouldn't even pull up at the stop.
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Re: Wheelchair vs Buggy - who has priority?

Postby stuie » 20 Jan 2017, 10:30

To many complicated issues for me to get involved in this one

for me there are far too many grey areas
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Re: Wheelchair vs Buggy - who has priority?

Postby tonyp » 20 Jan 2017, 10:55

stuie wrote:To many complicated issues for me to get involved in this one

for me there are far too many grey areas

I'm inclined to agree with you Stuie.
I rarely travel on a bus but recently my wife and I spent a week in Noosa and decided to go to a restaurant in Maroochydore for lunch.
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Rather than drive we decided to go on the local bus (so that we could have a bottle of wine with lunch).
I was amazed at the people who hopped on and plonked themselves into the seats which were marked as "reserved for elderly, disabled and pregnant women".
However at one stop a person in a wheelchair did get on and all of the people sitting in the seats immediately moved to another part of the bus.
Typical Australian courtesy, I thought.
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Re: Wheelchair vs Buggy - who has priority?

Postby poshnipper » 20 Jan 2017, 23:39

Courtesy. Understanding. Reasonability. Respect. Empathy.
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Re: Wheelchair vs Buggy - who has priority?

Postby daib0 » 21 Jan 2017, 00:20

poshnipper wrote:Courtesy. Understanding. Reasonability. Respect. Empathy.
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if only it were so easy!!!
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Re: Wheelchair vs Buggy - who has priority?

Postby poshnipper » 21 Jan 2017, 00:26

daib0 wrote:
poshnipper wrote:Courtesy. Understanding. Reasonability. Respect. Empathy.
We're home and dry!

if only it were so easy!!!


It should be that easy though.
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Re: Wheelchair vs Buggy - who has priority?

Postby daib0 » 21 Jan 2017, 00:39

poshnipper wrote:
daib0 wrote:
poshnipper wrote:Courtesy. Understanding. Reasonability. Respect. Empathy.
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if only it were so easy!!!


It should be that easy though.

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